{"id":147956,"date":"2020-06-02T07:12:02","date_gmt":"2020-06-01T23:12:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/thehoneycombers.com\/hongkong\/?p=147956"},"modified":"2024-11-20T19:40:28","modified_gmt":"2024-11-20T11:40:28","slug":"the-pains-of-being-pure-at-heart-interview-the-echo-of-pleasure","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thehoneycombers.com\/hong-kong\/the-pains-of-being-pure-at-heart-interview-the-echo-of-pleasure\/","title":{"rendered":"Memory is a kind of echo: The Pains of Being Pure at Heart chat about music, writing and family"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>For those who always keep an eye on the underground music scene, you&#8217;re probably aware of the indie musicians that have visited in Hong Kong recently, such as <a href=\"https:\/\/thehoneycombers.com\/hong-kong\/christopher-owens-chrissybaby-forever-music-interview\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Christopher Owens<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/thehoneycombers.com\/hong-kong\/beach-fossils-somersault-music-interview\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Beach Fossils<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/thehoneycombers.com\/hong-kong\/mount-kimbie-interview-british-electronic-duo\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Mount Kimbie<\/a>. After appearing twice at Hong Kong\u2019s biggest music festival Clockenflap within the past six years, it seems local music fans can\u2019t get enough of the New York favourite &#8211; The Pains of Being Pure at Heart. So we interviewed frontman Kip Berman about their release: The Echo of Pleasure and the stories that have influenced the band.<\/p>\n<h2>An interview with The Pains of Being Pure at Heart<\/h2>\n<p>The Pains of Being Pure at Heart is one of those names you won\u2019t forget because of its embedded poetic sentiment. Following their last album Days of Abandon \u2013 which brilliantly conveys melodic representations of sadness, disappointment and loneliness \u2013 the Brooklyn-based indie noise-pop band\u2019s latest release in 2017 The Echo of Pleasure leads their listeners to euphoric ecstasy with a richer and more mature wall of sound.\u00a0<\/p>\n<h3>Ten years ago, you started your own band and named it The Pains of Being Pure at Heart based on a story title you came across in Portland. How did (and do) you reinterpret this sentiment \u201cThe Pains of Being Pure at Heart\u201d then and now?<\/h3>\n<p>I wonder if along the way there has been some corruption \u2013 understandably inevitable \u2013 of my intent and dreams. When we started, we were pretty inept musically and this bothered me. I felt like we were constantly disappointing people every time we played a show. I used to say we were \u201ctoo true to be good\u201d \u2013 and in a way, we were. As we got better, I think there was a degree of worldly ambition to be \u201cbigger\u201d, and it poisoned us a bit. When we didn\u2019t get \u201cbig\u201d the other members left to do work that was more stable, and I was left with the pieces of something that was now tainted, yet remained the best or only way I had of expressing what I wanted to express.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_147858\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-147858\" style=\"width: 900px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-147858 size-full lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/static.thehoneycombers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2018\/01\/The-Pains-of-being-Pure-at-Heart-indie-noise-pop-band-The-Echo-of-Pleasure-e1515994760819.jpg\" alt=\"The Pains of being Pure at Heart indie band noise pop The Echo of Pleasure\" width=\"900\" height=\"625\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 900px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 900\/625;\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-147858\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Pains of Being Pure at Heart live band consists of Christoph Hochheim (guitar), Jacob Sloan (bass), Chris Schackerman (drums), Kip Berman (vocals, guitar) and Jess Rojas (keyboards, vocals) (Photography: The Pains of Being Pure at Heart via Facebook)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h3>Your latest album is called The Echo of Pleasure. How did you come up with that title to represent this album ?<\/h3>\n<p>When looking back on life, memory is a kind of echo. Each reflection is a bit duller or less vivid than the initial feeling of the thing remembered. But I also think of love as an ongoing conversation \u2013 each reply, or echo, is a variation of the thing said before. It\u2019s not simply a mirror \u2013 a mirror is static, exacting. A mirror is, both literally and figuratively, vanity. The reason you seek intimacy with another person is not to have another version of yourself, but to know experiences and feelings that return back to you in ways that are different. When a partner is absent, that back and forth ends, and the feelings just sort of fade out into oblivion, into silence.<\/p>\n<h3>Do you have a favourite song on The Echo of Pleasure and why is that?<\/h3>\n<p>The Garret. It reaches places that I don\u2019t think our music has gone before. If you had played it for me when we started the band, I wouldn\u2019t have thought it possible that I could be part of a song like this.<\/p>\n<div class=\"video-wrapper\"><iframe title=\"The Pains of Being Pure at Heart - When I Dance With You (Official Video)\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ms9gUvKApdo?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==\" class=\"lazyload\" data-load-mode=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<h3>The Echo of Pleasure seems to have a rather joyous soundscape when compared to the more melancholic Days of Abandon. Can you walk us through the changes that might have fed your creative process during that gap of three years between the albums?<\/h3>\n<p>Making Days of Abandon was a challenging time, as three of the musicians who had been with me almost from the start decided not to continue playing in the band in order to pursue more traditional careers. At the time, my relationship to the band \u2013 and to music \u2013 was the most important thing in my life, and it was being torn from me. It was like going through a romantic breakup, because I had such a romantic ideal about what the band was and should be, and who was part of it. It just felt like an overwhelming sense of failure and loss.<\/p>\n<p>In some ways, I\u2019m not so sure The Echo of Pleasure is that much more upbeat. It was written at a time when I felt the band could end, not from the changes in the priorities of other people, but from changes in my own life. I was expecting my first child, and I didn\u2019t want to be absent in my daughter\u2019s life. Being in a band \u2013 the instability and the time on the road \u2013 seemed almost irreconcilable with being a good parent. I don\u2019t know how to say this without it seeming either conceited or obvious, but no part of being an \u201cartist\u201d is more important than being good to your family. So there was a sense of (possible) finality to this record. <\/p>\n<p>But whereas Days of Abandon felt passive, The Echo of Pleasure felt like \u2013 if it was an ending \u2013 this was an ending that would be my decision to make. The joy you hear is the sound of me doing the thing I love, fully aware that it may be the last time I get to do it; and, I suppose, the melancholy is routed in that same reality.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_147855\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-147855\" style=\"width: 900px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-147855 size-full lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/static.thehoneycombers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2018\/01\/The-Pains-of-being-Pure-at-Heart-indie-noise-pop-band-The-Echo-of-Pleasure-main-image-e1515994762541.jpg\" alt=\"The Pains of being Pure at Heart indie band The Echo of Pleasure main image\" width=\"900\" height=\"612\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 900px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 900\/612;\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-147855\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The band has been touring in North America and Spain, and is now heading to Asia (Photography: The Pains of Being Pure at Heart via Facebook)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h3>Where do you find inspiration outside of musical influence?<\/h3>\n<p>So little of my inspiration for music comes from music. I don\u2019t even think of myself as a musician, really. I play guitar and sing no better than anyone sitting in your local music shop, but what drives me is writing. And that inspiration comes from phrases I read, people I know, or conversations I have that seem to stick in my head. It\u2019s usually from many of those sources that a single song emerges. <\/p>\n<p>On a song like The Garret, there is a touch of Genet\u2019s \u201cOur Lady of The Flowers\u201d \u2013 that feeling of being alien in your own body, or having an internal reality that is at odds with what you are seen to be. But then you also think of past love, and a sense that when something ends it doesn\u2019t really end, though you\u2019d prefer it to. There are unwelcome memories that never quite extinguish, how you reconcile that with life at present, how you continue to move \u201cforward\u201d when you are always at risk of being devoured by an ever extending past as you live longer and longer.<\/p>\n<h3>With the arrival of your daughter, what influence do you most look forward to be getting from her on your music?<\/h3>\n<p>I don\u2019t yet know. I think now my interests musically are more in line with the kind of music I can put on around the house when I\u2019m with her. I never much liked \u201cshoegaze\u201d music \u2013 and when I\u2019m with her I never put on anything that really sounds like that. Instead, I listen more to things like Richard and Linda Thompson, Lou Reed, Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen, Joan Baez, Linda Perhacs. Maybe it\u2019s a false sense of authenticity \u2013 this idea that older things, or more acoustic based music is somehow real. I don\u2019t know, I just want to listen to music that isn\u2019t about loudness or adolescent anguish, but has a power and a purpose from what it says and a confidence to say it in a direct way.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_147856\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-147856\" style=\"width: 900px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-147856 size-full lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/static.thehoneycombers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2018\/01\/The-Pains-of-being-Pure-at-Heart-indie-noise-pop-band-The-Echo-of-Pleasure-Kip-Berman-e1515994801206.jpg\" alt=\"The Pains of being Pure at Heart indie noise pop band The Echo of Pleasure Kip Berman\" width=\"900\" height=\"623\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 900px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 900\/623;\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-147856\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kip Berman is the founding member of The Pains of being Pure at Heart (Credit: The Pains of Being Pure at Heart via Facebook)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h3>To me your albums are the fountain of youth, which always remind me of the highs and lows of being an adolescent, is that what you intended for?<\/h3>\n<p>I think I write songs about how I feel, and I may be prone to extremes. So maybe that is equivalent to a \u201cyouthful\u201d worldview, where there\u2019s this desire for absolutes, a desire for purity. I just find it so worthless to come to a \u201cmore mature\u201d understanding of life, if that means settling for things that are less than they ought to be, to willingly negotiate away your own vitality and idealism for something more circumspect. And this is not to say adults should behave like teenagers or \u201cnever grow up\u201d either. I just think it\u2019s better to err on the side of being a bit ridiculous and idealistic. We live such short lives, why not?<\/p>\n<h3>I\u2019ve a special fondness for Art Smock, the soothing opening track of Days of Abandon; can you tell me more about that song?<\/h3>\n<p>To me it encapsulates the entire album in about two minutes. I suppose there are nine songs after it that develop the ideas a bit more, but if you wanted to summarise that album you could just listen to Art Smock. No one else wanted me to include it on the album, and certainly no one wanted it to be the first track on the album. I have such annoyingly long winded interviews (as you can tell), that I\u2019m glad at least I can be \u201cto the point\u201d in my music without wasting too much of anyone\u2019s time <em>(laughs)<\/em>.<\/p>\n<h3>What misconceptions do you think people have about The Pains of Being Pure at Heart?<\/h3>\n<p>I don\u2019t know what people think of us, but I\u2019m flattered <em>if<\/em> they think of us. Most of the bands I admired never got to play shows outside of their postal code \u2013 so it\u2019s pretty incredible people halfway around the world from where we live even know our music. I\u2019m deeply grateful we\u2019ll have the chance to come and play! 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